Portable Shoot Out @ MF5

[Mikey P]

Since Mytee is playing host it would only be fair and fun to have a Portable performance shoot out.


If any of you have a portable or the connections to get current models from various manufacturers there, than by all means please do.


Will Big Ed Valentine have the wevOHS to send a new unit?

 

[Chris Muetterties]

Ed will NEVER show nor will his porty

 

[Jimmy L]

Would be fun to hook your vortex up and implode them.

 

[John LaBarbera]

That's a valid question, Chucky.

The purpose of the shoot out isn't to determine what machine is better than another. Mytee machines will be evaluated along with all others on a level playing field. What will be documented is water lift, CFM, amps per cord, etc. We will publish the findings for all to see. This will help the PCC to determine for themselves what machine will work best for them. All the machines that participate are machines that are liked by many for a number of reasons, personal preference being one of those reasons. These machines all clean carpets and in fact have similar components. It will be a fact documenting comparison. No manufacturer should be afraid to participate.

So to answer your question, the Industry wins.

 

[Bill Soukoreff]

That's a valid question, Chucky.

The purpose of the shoot out isn't to determine what machine is better than another. Mytee machines will be evaluated along with all others on a level playing field. What will be documented is water lift, CFM, amps per cord, etc. We will publish the findings for all to see. This will help the PCC to determine for themselves what machine will work best for them. All the machines that participate are machines that are liked by many for a number of reasons, personal preference being one of those reasons. These machines all clean carpets and in fact have similar components. It will be a fact documenting comparison. No manufacturer should be afraid to participate.

So to answer your question, the Industry wins.

Thats why Ed won't participate. He does not publish all the specs and chooses to sell by the myth factor. It's too bad, because it turns a lot of people off. I know the numbers don't mean a lot in themselves and is a pain in the butt for small manufacturers like Odin who concentrate on custom, quality and unique designs (in these special cases a phone call goes a long way).

But the fact is, when it comes buying something more generic like a porty, many of us are forced to buy without the option to test a machine for themselves due to proximity (unless we want to buy a Ninja). So we NEED numbers to help guide us through the plethora of machines out there. Would anyone buy a pump without knowing the PSI, GPM and AMP draw? So why should we be expected to buy a porty without all the specs?

If Ed's (or Jan's) argument is true that the higher CFM (but much less lift) translates to some mysterious and undocumented "higher operating lift" than why not be up front and just publish what the lift is and avoid a lot of grief. Right now Erik is asking a question on the Recoil board about lift. The answers will be very vague and indirect (except for mine ).

I applaud Mytee for being so open and even publishing their schematics online.

My only concern is that Mickey Fest test results never seem to be released!

 

[Eric Valentine]

I will have to see if I can get out there this year. You all can laugh at my 100 psi Prochem Cheyenne with dual 2-stage vacs in series then.

 

[-JB-]

Somebody bring a SD and a RV CFX please.

 

[John Olson]

I'll call chuck and see if he wll send a RV and CFX

 

[Bill Soukoreff]

John, could Mytee buy a Recoil for the event (tax write-off) then donate it to a school or hospital? Otherwise you may never get one!

 

[John LaBarbera]

John, could Mytee buy a Recoil for the event (tax write-off) then donate it to a school or hospital? Otherwise you may never get one!

Thanks Bill for thinking of me in such rich terms. But you have to make a profit to need a write-off. I was hoping you would buy it and after our shoot out you'd have a good back-up unit.

 

[Bill Soukoreff]

[quote="Bill Soukoreff":11nfpgie]John, could Mytee buy a Recoil for the event (tax write-off) then donate it to a school or hospital? Otherwise you may never get one!

Thanks Bill for thinking of me in such rich terms. But you have to make a profit to need a write-off. I was hoping you would buy it and after our shoot out you'd have a good back-up unit.[/quote:11nfpgie]

:shock:

OK, what if someone could get Mickey's Board and TMF to give Ed a couple months of free banners if he sends in a Recoil for testing?

You need to think of way to get one John, otherwise there will be widespread disappointment. The hype is building and everyone wants to see a good fight or no fight for that matter!

 

[Lyman]

How about different price levels also or is this all out.

 

[John LaBarbera]

How about different price levels also or is this all out.

The chart that is created at the shoot out will include msrp along with spec's.

 

[Jack May]

We will publish the findings for all to see.

What ever you do, DON'T put Tony in charge of this part :roll: Byt the time anyones sees it, they'll all have collectors value

John

 

[Guest]

The Recoil will finish all quest!!!!!

 

[B&BGaryC]

Hmmm... What about Odin's machine making it out there?

 

[John LaBarbera]

That would be great if Terry would bring it down. Also, if Bob Savage would come. It would be nice to see these units in action.

 

[Greenie]

We've got Thor here, Terje will probably approve of bringing it down. Also I will bring the 4 vac model we've been tinkering with, and I've got $100 cash that says the GG-M5 will place tops overall in lift, cfm, pressure, flow, amp draw and all around asskicking on just two cords, 100' of hose and a Greenhorn wand, heck at $2990 I'll give it price advantage as well.

Bring it!

 

[The Preacher]

Ed will use the old John Geurkinky line that you have to MASTER his machine to get the "most" out of it!!!

 

[John LaBarbera]

Ed will use the old John Geurkinky line that you have to MASTER his machine to get the "most" out of it!!!

What does this mean? I don't understand. Please explain.

 

[Bill Soukoreff]

[quote="Danny Strickland":2es57zsj]Ed will use the old John Geurkinky line that you have to MASTER his machine to get the "most" out of it!!!

What does this mean? I don't understand. Please explain.[/quote:2es57zsj]

Can you explain this John:

Ed posted a reply to Erik' question on lift and CFM of Recoil:

"Throughout the years, we have had a few Operators measure the " of lift. As I recall, it is around 140-150. Way more than enough, period."

How can 2 117" lift 3-stages in parallel and a 99" inch 2-stage in parallel come out at 140 or 150 inches of lift?

Is there any actual vacuum theory that can explain this?

That's why I want to see the Recoil participate.

Like Greenie, my money is also on the Mytee with it's two new high lift and cfm vac motors.

John, can we see tests performed also above 100 ft, like at 125 and 150?

 

[B&BGaryC]

John, can we see tests performed also above 100 ft, like at 125 and 150?

I have a truckmount, and I rarely use more than 107 ft of vacuum hose to do most any job. Yes, sometimes I need 157 ft, but that's about it. A few times a year I use everything I got, but that's rare.

 

[DRScrivner]

If actually evaluating portables and NOT trying to make them truckmounts then 25, 50, 75, and 100 would be more realistic.

 

[Guest]

[quote="Bill Soukoreff"5i09viv]
John, can we see tests performed also above 100 ft, like at 125 and 150?

I have a truckmount, and I rarely use more than 107 ft of vacuum hose to do most any job. Yes, sometimes I need 157 ft, but that's about it. A few times a year I use everything I got, but that's rare.[/quote5i09viv]

Whats with the 7ft?

 

[Bill Soukoreff]

If actually evaluating portables and NOT trying to make them truckmounts then 25, 50, 75, and 100 would be more realistic.

True Del. However I was thinking more about claims made by the Recoil. If Ed says it can go 200ft, then why not test that way? I think that's what a lot of people really want to see and would be helpful to the people making a future choice.

 

[DRScrivner]

Whats with the 7ft?

Whip hose?

 

[DRScrivner]

If actually evaluating portables and NOT trying to make them truckmounts then 25, 50, 75, and 100 would be more realistic.

True Del. However I was thinking more about claims made by the Recoil. If Ed says it can go 200ft, then why not test that way? I think that's what a lot of people really want to see and would be helpful to the people making a future choice.

Good point. I would say if it is outperformed by other units at short range then why bother.
However if it does wind up being top performer then hey push it to the limit.

 

[John LaBarbera]

[quote="John LaBarbera":ubjzpsz0][quote="Danny Strickland":ubjzpsz0]Ed will use the old John Geurkinky line that you have to MASTER his machine to get the "most" out of it!!!

What does this mean? I don't understand. Please explain.[/quote:ubjzpsz0]

Can you explain this John:

Ed posted a reply to Erik' question on lift and CFM of Recoil:

"Throughout the years, we have had a few Operators measure the " of lift. As I recall, it is around 140-150. Way more than enough, period."

How can 2 117" lift 3-stages in parallel and a 99" inch 2-stage in parallel come out at 140 or 150 inches of lift?

Is there any actual vacuum theory that can explain this?

That's why I want to see the Recoil participate.

Like Greenie, my money is also on the Mytee with it's two new high lift and cfm vac motors.

John, can we see tests performed also above 100 ft, like at 125 and 150?[/quote:ubjzpsz0]


Hi Bill,

I see you saw this on TMF. The reasoning of those guys make no sense to me. I think on the XPS they are running 3-3 stages, 117" vacs in parallel. That puts almost 21 amps on a one cord, and 16 amps on the vac and pump cord. That kind of explains why CA is so mysterious with their spec's. All myths will evaporate in a couple of months.

John

 

[Curtis Pennington]

Like to see a Blackmax PF there too.

 

[ruff]

CFM and Water lift and PSI and BS are all great!
What about durability?
In my book it is number one.

Number 2 is electricity draw, so any real time info (not manufacturers' claim) on that issue will be highly valuable.

Actual drying time measured in the test is very important too but let's not get into what's more important air flow or water lift argument. It may never end.Just the results please.

And keep the good work